The Three Doctors

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The Three Doctors
Two’s company. Three’s a crowd…
 

As promised (or was it threatened?), here’s a video commentary featuring the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Doctors. We plan to record an edited video commentary per Doctor and I will be setting up a poll, where you can vote on which 4th Doctor story we tackle/ruin, in the very near future.

As a very special treat (or not) we are joined Sue’s brother, Gary and (for Episode Four) by her daughter, Nicol.

Normal service will be resumed next week, when we will celebrate this experiment’s first (and last) anniversary.


Adventures with the Wife in Space – The Three Doctors… by tachyontv

If you experience any problems with this video, I have uploaded it to Vimeo as well. YouTube took it down.

Speaking of YouTube, if you can handle more Three Doctor fun, check out this video from our very good friend, Simon.

The Final Score

5/10

Next week is Anniversary Week for Adventures with the Wife in Space! Not only did we begin the experiment a year ago next week, we will also reach the half-way point in the experiment next week as well. Happy times and places.

The experiment continues…
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Discussion

  1. BestBrian  January 19, 2012

    Best line for Gary this week: “You will take holy communion”. :)

    • Daniel Strange  March 8, 2012

      I also liked his observation that Three Doctors means “Three degrees.”

  2. Mike  January 19, 2012

    I always thought the Gel in Gel-Guards was pronounced Jell as in Jelly … Am i wrong?

    Gary comes off a lot better in audio. Something was being lost in the written word I think.

    • Jazza1971  January 19, 2012

      I always thought it was gel with a “j” sound too, as in the word “gel”!

      • Neil Perryman  January 19, 2012

        Since it’s never, ever stated on screen, I’m right.

        • Jazza1971  January 19, 2012

          I think you should show the spelling to Sue and get her to decide on the pronunciation. Just think, if this hadn’t been a commentary then there would never have been this (interesting and obviously very important) discussion!

  3. Dave Sanders  January 19, 2012

    Will ‘exasperated sigh of disappointment’ fit on a T-shirt?

    Please, please, PLEASE for the love of the White Guardian, let Sue get the joke with the next story.

    • Dave Sanders  January 19, 2012

      By which I meant Sue’s, when the mask came off.

  4. PolarityReversed  January 19, 2012

    Good fun, thanks to all.

    As an anniversary boat-pusher-outer the concept of multiple Doctors was a good factor, but it has an inevitable whiff of special-guest panto about it, which doesn’t really explode my recorder. For me, good as a one-off, but unfortunately they decided to flog it later on – even RTD did his own “ah-but, ho-ho” take on it.
    I hope Moffat resists the urge.

    Next up: Ooooh ello, I’m Vorg and this is my friend Sharna. Ow bona to vada your dolly old timelord eek.

    PS I’d go with Gel-Guards pronounced J – they bring to mind unpleasant insect secretions.

  5. PSanders  January 19, 2012

    Agreed – Gary comes across as a witty guy on audio. The Gary re-evaluation starts here.

  6. Tom  January 19, 2012

    I think Gary gets the t-shirt with the pie comment.

  7. John Williams  January 19, 2012

    Nice Community reference from Neil.

  8. BWT  January 19, 2012

    Yeah… I must agree with Sue: I’ve never been particularly enthused by this either.

    Gary: is Cromer really in Kent? Well… perhaps it soon will be if the Norfolk long-shore drift continues at it’s present rate of knots…

    I like the reveal when Omega takes his hat off. What did Sue think? Omega is really… Pert and Trout (like the thing with two heads!)

    Oh, and I’d like to know how they convinced Rod Hull to appear without Emu…

    • BWT  January 19, 2012

      Oh, and by the way – thanks for the commentary: sounds like you had a right laugh – can we all turn up for the next one if we bring a bottle or twelve?

    • PolarityReversed  January 19, 2012

      But the Gel Guards are sort of Emu torsos, aren’t they?

  9. Noodles  January 19, 2012

    Nicol sounds posher than her mum. And I love the fact that she was brought in as a scientific advisor, and the most scientific thing she said was “spinny thing”.

    • grimshaw  January 19, 2012

      I love the fact she was really actually annoyed she hadn’t been invited for the commentary for the start :D
      The experiment is spreading!

      • Neowhovian  January 31, 2012

        And she was rightly annoyed by the “antimatter universe” thing. Though I was surprised she didn’t twitch more about said universe supposedly being through a black hole. ~shudder~

  10. John Callaghan  January 19, 2012

    Great fun, as ever, and I agree that Gary sounds dryly droll rather than drearily dreadful. You should all do the official release DVD commentaries – drunk, of course.

    I felt a bit for Nichol, as her stated reservations are explained away in the previous three episodes, with the resolution depending on being matter in an anti-matter universe.

    And “shag, marry, kill” for the T-shirt!

  11. PSanders  January 19, 2012

    Hmm which Baker story..? A real cracker or one guaranteed to raise a few laughs? While City of Death and Deadly Assassin are witty and iconic, this commentary highlights how much of the good stuff Sue might actually miss while recording it. Whereas it could be good to hear her reaction to the less successful production aspects like Movellans or Erato. My vote is either The Android Invasion (just seen it again and it’s fun if silly and throwaway, it’s by “Terry f**kin’ Nation” and I would love to hear Sue’s opinion of the Kraal plot and the eyepatch moment – just keep the title a secret like with this one) or The Invisible Enemy (fun, but flawed; it’s the first real indication of the Williams era and a real culture shock after all the gothic stuff; the plot is nonsense and the giant prawn! Plus K9!).

    And what about the other doctors? Earthshock could be interesting for many reasons and Twin Dilemma could be made bearable by suffering it next to Sue. And perhaps Survival, to acknowledge the end of a television era…

    • Noodles  January 19, 2012

      “The Twin Dilemma” is excellent, provided you fast-forward through every moment that Colin’s not onscreen.

      • solar penguin  January 19, 2012

        And also through every moment that he is as well.

    • PolarityReversed  January 19, 2012

      I suggest Brain of Morbius.

      Strong clear premise, therefore really mood-driven, so could be pretty fully enjoyed while chatting.
      Textbook Early Arf and one of Lis Sladen’s best outings, IMHO.

    • Dan  January 19, 2012

      Would Sue miss more than in a text commentary as they talk anyway? But, in case it does make a difference, I suggest The Leisure Hive, for responses to the biggest style change in the original run. Failing that, Genesis perhaps? For Davison the 20th Anniversary Special, or Castrovalva, or Caves. C Baker, Revelation of the Daleks, and I’m not qualified to comment on McCoy.

      It would be a shame to miss too much of those two you mentioned.

      • Neil Perryman  January 19, 2012

        It does make a difference. When we do a normal episode I will stop (or even rewind) the DVD if we get bogged down in a chat that impinges on the plot. We couldn’t do that this week, hence Sue’s frustration. She seriously feels that we should watch it again. Maybe one day.

        • Dan  January 19, 2012

          Maybe you should. It’s very important for the Time Lord mythology!

          • Dan  January 19, 2012

            Or at least a written summary of what we no about the Time Lords we didn’t previously.

          • PolarityReversed  January 20, 2012

            Dan, re style changes on Leisure Hive and post:

            I was horrified at the time at the brash “new broom” disposal of slit-screen, classic scream and much else besides. But on re-viewing and now long over the trauma of the vandalising of the credits, I feel that much of that season was very much back in the direction of Gothic Arf. I don’t really agree that it was such a style break.

          • Dan  January 20, 2012

            I think the idea was to bring it back towards more like pre-Williams era. I was thinking especially of the theme etc, as well as it being the beginning of the producer who would see the show off.

    • Dave Sanders  January 19, 2012

      Maybe we’ll get to hear an actual footrub,

  12. PSanders  January 19, 2012

    If anyone from 2Entertain is watching, get Sue in to do an extra commentary for one of the final DVD releases! Though there aren’t many left she won’t have seen… Zygons? Eden? Get in there QUICK.

    • Simon Harries  January 19, 2012

      Fabulous idea, but asking for trouble…

  13. Daniel  January 19, 2012

    Awwwww. Another audio commentary. I do love the transcripts but being deaf, I miss out on these ones…

    • Neil Perryman  January 19, 2012

      A reader has kindly volunteered to transcribe the video. Stay tuned!

      • Daniel  January 19, 2012

        Oh brilliant :-)

      • DPC  January 19, 2012

        That’s awesome, thanks!!

  14. Richard L  January 19, 2012

    I’m no doubt being horribly greedy but I’d quite like to have seen this story done in the “traditional” text manner, then if Sue can take it, you could re-do the exercise in the kind of “commentary recording environment” you had here. Sue herself admits that she’s missing a lot of stuff that’s going on in the midst of the banter!

    Watching the vid I noticed something I’d not picked up on before: isn’t Troughton wearing the wrong trousers? Maybe they were exiled to a parallel earth or something.

    • Simon Harries  January 19, 2012

      Surely he’s wearing the right trousers. It’s the Five Doctors where he’s wearing the wrong ones. I heard that by the 80s, technical standards at the BBC were such that he had to wear trousers with a larger check design, because any smaller check would cause moire/rainbow patterning on the cameras or some **** like that.

      • Richard L  January 20, 2012

        All bets are off for the only Doctor able to regenerate his own clothing!

        • Noodles  January 20, 2012

          Davison regenerated his shoes. And Colin Baker regenerated a huge extra “V” of fabric into the back of his trousers.

  15. Glen Allen  January 19, 2012

    “Bastard!”
    Bastard? A little harsh but I bow. It wasnt my fault. honest guv.
    Ooh I enjoyed that. Particularly the “spinny thing” which of course means I now know everything I need to know about a time eddy.

    And I must agree, apart from the scenes with The Doctors together its a bit of a wet fart

    You did quite well my girl, quite well :)

  16. Marty  January 19, 2012

    I agree with others, Gary is much better in audio form.

    My favourite quote of the commentary; “A spinny thing”.
    Nicol should have been there from the start.

    Great work and thanks for going through the various video sites after YouTube threw a wobbly.

  17. matt bartley  January 19, 2012

    Video commentaries for the remaining Doctors -

    T Baker – Warrior’s Gate. So markedly different in narrative to style than anything else, and with Sue’s media production background it’d be interesting to hear what she makes of it all.

    Davison – Time Flight. The Master’s worst ever disguise, rubbish production values and the casual forgetting of Adric after two minutes. Can’t be anything else.

    C. Baker – Trial of a Time Lord eps 13-14. Her reaction to this being 14 episodes long and Colin’s final line should be good.

    McCoy – Time and the Rani. Well…just because.

    • PolarityReversed  January 21, 2012

      Adric was casually forgotten – really? The injustice of this world…

  18. Chris Lindsay  January 19, 2012

    Hi Neil,

    Another great update. Just a small request – do you think you could present the scores Sue gives the video commentaries in the same way you would on the normal updates? For us nerds that like to keep an eye on the points she is awarding it would be easier than having to scroll through the video every time we need a reminder.

    Great to hear Gary and Nicol warming to the show – you’ll make fans of them yet :)

    • Neil Perryman  January 19, 2012

      A good idea but I didn’t want to spoil anyone before they saw the video. I will add the score to the page when we next update. That seems fair.

      • Chris Lindsay  January 21, 2012

        Good call – thanks bud :)

  19. Dave Sanders  January 19, 2012

    Logically, the best commentary choice would be Robot, so that we can hear Sue’s immediate first impressions of the new Doctor, as well as The Famous Tank and the more ‘imaginative’ applications of yellow CSO. Either that, or The Ark In Space – let her comment on a really good one for a change, and if she feels required to watch it again afterwards without all the nattering over it, then make it one she’ll want to again. Besides, it’s the first *proper* Tom Baker that doesn’t feel like Barry Letts business-as-usual, it’s proper drama rather than driven by spectacle, and the change in mood between Robot and Ark In Space is getting on for the size of that between Horns Of Nimon and The Leisure Hive.

  20. Lauren A.  January 19, 2012

    Gosh, woldn’t it be amazing if they could do some sort of a special with multiple Doctors AND Daleks AND Cybermen AND old companions? That would be amazing, wouldn’t it?

    • Jazza1971  January 19, 2012

      It would…but just imagine if they brought The Master in as well, AND maybe even a Yeti! Now that would be cool!

      • Neil Perryman  January 19, 2012

        Now you are just being silly…

        • Jazza1971  January 19, 2012

          I know, but a fan can dream…

          • Lauren A.  January 19, 2012

            So long as we’re dreaming, can the Brig be in this epic special as well? And Mike Yates, even if it’s just for a cameo because he’s on leave or something?

          • Jazza1971  January 19, 2012

            I’m with Neil on this one now. You’re just being silly. Why not have Jamie, Zoe and Bessie while your at it!

          • Lauren A.  January 19, 2012

            I know it’s silly and unlikely to ever happen, but it would be EXCELLENT…

          • Jazza1971  January 19, 2012

            I don’t know, some fans want the moon on a stick! Next you’ll be asking for a story with the silurians AND the sea devils and a season where every story has some link to the shows past. But where will it end? Some “Doctor Who” and “Eastenders” hybrid I’ll wager…

          • John G  January 19, 2012

            I think it would be nice to get Susan in it as well, to have a little nod back to the very beginning…

          • Lauren A.  January 19, 2012

            Yeah, I love all the callbacks to the show’s history but all stories have to have something new in them too, don’t they? Some new aspect of Time Lord mythology or something, idk. For instance, maybe have an episode with Silurians and Sea Devils, but also some NEW sort of sea reptile monster! Great idea there too, Jazza! Not about the Eastenders crossover though, that sounds like it would be crap…)

          • Jazza1971  January 19, 2012

            A new sort of sea reptile monster you say, Lauren? Mmmm…maybe they could have a sea horse of some description. But on the shows budget they probably couldn’t do it justice.

            Hold on, they could get the guys who played Dobbin the pantomime horse in “Rentaghost” to realise it! I jest, of course.

          • Dave Sanders  January 20, 2012

            And it’s got to be written by a much-beloved figure with long associations to a previous era of the show. But if we can’t get Robert Holmes, Terrance Dicks will do.

          • Professor Thascales  January 25, 2012

            And can we have the Second Doctor refer to unseen adventures? And make them as bizarre as possible–something like, “That was when people used to hop like kangaroos.”

  21. Mark Taylor  January 19, 2012

    The Three Doctors, or as it now must be known: ‘The Redemption of Gary’!! Amazing!

    Think Sue was a fraction harsh in 5/10, but she’s right, other than the Doctors all being back again, it’s all a bit pants. The Five Doctors is much, much better. Oops, spoiler,

    PS: Time-Flight has to be the Davison story that gets the audio commentary, how’s about Destiny of the Daleks for the Tom one?

    • John G  January 19, 2012

      If they do Time-Flight, they’ll have to go some to better the DVD commentary – the most hilarious in the range, IMHO.

  22. John G  January 19, 2012

    Thanks Neil for allowing us to eavesdrop on your intimate family gathering, and it’s good to hear that a fun time seemed to be had by all, even if that isn’t reflected in Sue’s final score. I liked Gary’s accent, by the way, very laid back and droll.

    This is an oddly schizophrenic story, one that has you experiencing a fangasm one minute and then turning red with embarrassment the next (the Gel Guards, Omega’s incredibly cheap looking HQ, the shameful reduction of the Brig to an almost complete moron). Once again Baker and Martin ask for far more than the budget can cope with, and I am not overkeen on the way they write the second Doctor; Troughton does his best with what he’s given, but his Doctor comes over like a clownish caricature of himself. It’s a shame David Whitaker had gone off to Australia by this time, as he would have been the ideal writer for the story given his familiarity with the earlier Doctors.

    On the other hand, I think it’s always exciting for any fan to see more than one Doctor in a room, and Hartnell’s brief appearances are really quite touching. Even though he was very ill by this time (he actually died just down the road from where I now live), the power of the first Doctor at his imperious best still comes through in some of his line readings. Omega is also a fine creation, the mask really helping to sell him as a tragic, sad character.

    If Sue is finding it hard to concentrate on the story during these audio commentaries, then I think it would definitely be worth watching it again in the normal way with her, just to see if her view changes when she can watch without so much distraction. For your Tom audio, my vote would have to go to The Deadly Assassin, as it is such a departure from the norm that I would love to hear Sue’s spoken reactions to it. Incidentally Sue, if you ever fancy going to Cromer I can thoroughly recommend it, along with the whole of the beautiful north Norfolk coastline…

  23. Lewis  January 20, 2012

    My suggestions for commentaries… (apart from ALL OF THEM :p)

    Robot (new Doctor, dodgy tank, more Brig, lots of fun)
    Genesis of the Daleks (for obvious reasons)
    The Deadly Assassin (for obvious reasons)
    The Horns of Nimon (for obvious reasons!)
    Logopolis (again, F.O.R.)
    Earthshock (because of the return of the SpoilerThings)
    The One After The King’s Demons (for obvious reasons and the opinion of Hurndall etc)
    The One After The Mark of the Rani (again, F.O.R.)
    The Trial of a Time Lord (aka The Chore for a Sue, Bored)
    Remembrance of the Daleks (just, how can you not?!)
    Silver Nemesis (it’d be a right ol’ larrrf!)

    ‘Course, I know you won’t be doing more than one per Doc (shame really, is that a definite rule?) but still :)

    Great commentary, only wish we could’ve heard the whole thing! And poor Nicol sounds so confused xD

  24. Richard L  January 20, 2012

    I’d be going for Robot, TFD, The Ultimate Foe and Remembrance of the Daleks.

  25. Richard Lyth  January 20, 2012

    I think Logopolis should be the next commentary, and have Nicol there from the start so she can nitpick all the scientific inaccuracies.

    • John Williams  January 20, 2012

      That’s a great idea.

      • John Callaghan  January 20, 2012

        Especially if Christopher H. Bidmead is also in attendance.

    • solar penguin  January 20, 2012

      Sounds good. But I’d also like Nicol to comment on “Planet of Evil” which has even more scientific inaccuracies, including another of her old favourite the anti-matter universe!

  26. Thomas Bush  January 20, 2012

    “WHAAAAAAAAAT!” ROTFL

    Sue was kind enough to give this a 5. It was entertaining fluff, but a trifle gaudy and Pertwee’s starting to wear out his welcome. Does Gary always sound this laid back?

  27. Frankymole  January 22, 2012

    BRIAN BLESSED SHOULD PLAY OMEGA!!!!!!!

    • Professor Thascales  January 25, 2012

      Brian Blessed is often a big ham, but his ham is more fun at least than Stephen Thorne’s.

  28. Karl M  January 23, 2012

    Gary wins! I was pleased with the ‘Christmas Special’ call by your guest, as this one is my annual Xmas Who treat..I think it’s the tinsel-grotto effect of Omega’s palace and the general air of panto knees-up/Wizard of Oz plot…

  29. Frankymole  January 25, 2012

    Lost in Space? Isn’t that just a pale adaption this thing?:
    http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww153/Frankymole/Robot-girl-SpaceFamilyRobinsonNo19Cover1966-x300.jpg

  30. farsighted99  February 7, 2012

    I loved this episode. Yeah, it’s a bit corny and all, but just think what you get:

    1. Troughton comes back as the Second Doctor. This was a first for this show. Troughton’s my favorite classic Doctor, and it was great to see him again. He’s such a wonderful actor. And you could tell they bigged up Pertwee’s role so he wouldn’t feel bad about Troughton upstaging him. Not that it helped much. Pertwee is good, however he’s no Patrick Troughton. I kept hoping that Omega was going to keep Pertwee there in Anti-Matter Land and Troughton would just return and be the Doctor again. A fantasy, true, but there was a moment when it actually crossed my mind.

    2. The Brigadier got to finally go into the TARDS! And what did he do? He chewed out the Doctor for using government funding to embellish his machine! LOL!

    3. The UNIT building was transferred to a black hole! Now that was pretty cool, sort of like when the hospital went to the Moon in … Smith & Jones. Woo! Hoo! Of course, Bessie went too (they needed something to ride around in in that Anti-Matter Land…

    4. Oh, and poor William Hartnell. He was apparently quite ill at the time of filming, but he did his best. It’s too bad they couldn’t have had him physically in the TARDIS. But at least he got to say a few things, and he was the smartest of them all, I think. And did I mention they had Troughton back?? Oh, I’ve missed him. And he was in color this time!

    5. I liked the way Omega could just think up something and it would happen. That was cool. He didn’t look too bad either, with the angular mask. I also liked the fact there was nothing there when the Doctor lifted the mask.

    5. And jelly babies got a mention!

    6. Lots of technobabble physics in this one, with stuff like an anti-matter universe, force field generators, a singularity, etc. Didn’t make sense but sounded good.

    6. All those silly Time Lords in those robes made me snicker a bit. What were they thinking???

    However those Gel-Guards are candidates for the worst-monsters list. They were total rubbish. Did you see how the walls in Omega’s palace were shaped like them, with just about an inch on each side so they could get through? They looked like, well, something unpleasant after you’ve been to a carnival and upchucked jujubes!

    Anyway, the story was brilliant even though it had lots of plotholes, I say 9/10… It was a great 10th anniversary show.

    • Neowhovian  February 7, 2012

      Regarding your (first) point 6, some of the technobabble made sense. :) There is such a thing as antimatter (though a whole universe of it, especially one “on the other side of a black hole” is rubbish), and a singularity is a valid way to talk about the central (zero-radius, infinite-density) object of a black hole. Not a place anyone could actually survive…So yeah. It almost made sense. :)[Sorry - sometimes the astrophysicist in me has to speak up...]

      • farsighted99  February 7, 2012

        Actually, I’m married to a physicist. He would have laughed all the way through this episode. :-) He keeps telling me that time travel is not possible and is a ridiculous idea, and I keep telling him even if it’s impossible it’s a great imagination catalyst for stories. Oh well. He’s no fun sometimes.

        Anyway, yes, all those things are actual terms, and they are real, but most likely **cough, cough** not possible. Or even probable. But still entertaining. Like time travel. :D

        • farsighted99  February 7, 2012

          er.. Where’s the edit function? :D I mean

          … they are real, but most likely **cough, cough** not possible in the context of this story.

        • Neowhovian  February 8, 2012

          Definitely entertaining. :) Usually I’m able to beat astrophysicist-me into submission and just enjoy Who as fangeek-me. Sometimes she still peeks out and shouts “neener!” though. ;)

  31. That Neil Guy  February 13, 2012

    I love that Sue commented on the “flat” look of Troughton’s hair. I remember reading or hearing a commentary somewhere about Troughton being disappointed that his hair wasn’t done correctly for this episode. I think he was happier with it in 5 Doctors and/or 2 Doctors.

  32. Darrell  May 2, 2012

    I laughed all the way through, but Sue deserves more credit for “ATORY.” Writers dream of such a perfect consummation of a running gag.