THE CREATURE FROM THE PIT

Warning: this commentary contains strong language and adult themes. As Sue would say, this definitely isn’t for the kids…

Adventures with the Wife in Space – The Creature from the Pit from Tachyon TV on Vimeo.

And before you start, yes, it’s probably very unfair for Sue to mark this out of ten. We rambled all the way through it. I have therefore decided that we definitely won’t be doing a commentary for the 20th anniversary story after all, but we may cover Black Orchid or The Awakening without edits instead. Stay tuned.

 

The Score

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2/10

 

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Comments

  1. Tom  August 6, 2012

    ‘I love wood.’

    So does the Doctor, it seems.

  2. Rob  August 6, 2012

    I’d get Stephen Fry to do K-9’s voice!

  3. Lewis Christian  August 6, 2012

    Pretty fair to scrap the plan for the 20th anniversary story – it’s great, sometimes, to have a commentary but it’s a bit shit that Sue has to go and Wiki the episodes. Maybe, in future, have subtitles on so at least Sue can follow the dialogue as you go along?

    Great comments as usual though 😀

  4. Glen Allen  August 6, 2012

    Well thank you very much. I spat my coffee over the coffee table (Im not sure thats what they are really for) at the point Neil asks

    “if you were thrown into a pit, how would you escape?”
    “I dunno. I’d take me trousers off…”

    Very very silly and immature for me not to wait till the end of the sentence but it was still a priceless moment

  5. Person  August 6, 2012

    Quote for the mug has to come from Neil (accompanied by Erato pic) : ‘I never make it past the fellatio stage’.

    • wholahoop  August 8, 2012

      Some of us never make to that stage in the first place :-0

  6. BWT  August 6, 2012

    “The Doctor’s TEABAGGED!” – on a mug – now. (But don’t let kids see it!)

    • Lewis Christian  August 6, 2012

      “One teabag or two?” could be the kid-friendly version.

  7. Graeme C-G  August 6, 2012

    People can’t understand a word Sue says? FFS

  8. John G  August 6, 2012

    An amusing commentary, though I wonder if it is worth doing more of them if it makes it too difficult for Sue to follow the story (if you are persisting, I would do Black Orchid rather than The Awakening, as The Awakening is hard enough to understand as it is). I do love her voice though, particularly when she is clearly bored with what’s on screen. That “can’t wait” at the end was great, though I also loved the Adrasta “I’m a lesbian” moment.

    Regardless of how much she could follow the plot, I’m pretty much with Sue on Creature. It’s a dull, lacklustre affair, with only that unfortunate scene in part 3 to make it memorable. The jungle and the Wolfweeds are pretty nifty, admittedly, but they deserved to feature in a better story. You also get the feeling that they had run out of plot by the start of part 4, leading to that final, rather contrived race against time to stop the neutron star.

    I was amused by Sue’s ambivalent reaction to David Brierley’s debut. He tries his best, but for me he’s just too high-pitched to successfully replicate Leeson’s voice. It’ll be interesting to see if Sue has settled her view on him by the end of Nimon…

    • Doug  August 6, 2012

      I disagree. Black Orchid is the first historical for years so it would be better for Sue to do a generic monster story and let her appreciate Black Orchid as it is.

  9. Longtime Listener  August 6, 2012

    When Neil said “I think you could be onto something” about the K9 hoover idea, I heard it as “I think you could be on something”…

  10. Broadshoulder2  August 6, 2012

    Is it Snow white and the seven dwarves?

    Highlight. But you may have glutted by the ennui displayed. Give it a break. Both of you sounded fed up.

    • Neil Perryman  August 6, 2012

      Really? I thought we were in a pretty good mood!

      • Jamie  August 8, 2012

        I agree.
        Sue sounded pretty chirpy throughout and you kept laughing at her bon mots.
        May I suggest you make your Doctor Who tat shelves off limits for Sue’s cleaning rota and you dust ’em yourself.

  11. AST  August 6, 2012

    I LOVE the video/audio shows. And I appreciate the swearies being left in – not least in case you ever require another daft tune from me with samples in it (I did ‘Love Theme From Wife In Space’ a.k.a ‘Terry F**kin’ Nation’ for the Pertwee Podcast). It’s easier to put my own bleeps in.

  12. Paul Mc Elvaney  August 6, 2012

    Sue: “Really? This is really his last story?…….oooh s***…”
    So simple, but so genius! This really cheered me up!!

  13. Marty  August 6, 2012

    It was interesting, another video/audio commentary.
    But I’m glad you’ve abandoned the idea for future significant stories.

    There’s a lot more insight into the stories and into Sue’s opinion when it’s just text.

    • Jane  August 7, 2012

      What ruins the video commentary isn’t that it’s not text, it’s that the flow of the story keeps getting interrupted by all those inane questions. It would really be fine if you did everything just as you would for a regular entry, but cobbled together a video afterwards rather than cobbling together a transcript.

      • CJJC  August 7, 2012

        Or have reactions etc and then questions between episodes?

        • Jambu Ilhillyia  August 7, 2012

          I like that idea.

  14. Richard Lyth  August 6, 2012

    This was probably a bad choice for a video commentary – it’s actually not that bad if you’re not talking all over it, apart from Erato and K9’s voice obviously. Horns Of Nimon would have worked much better, way more stuff to make fun of in that.

  15. Gareth Lee-Thomas  August 6, 2012

    Was the score a bit generous? Just consider what would happen if the fate of the series rested on this story…..there should be an hour long dvd extra where whomever is responsible apologises. Could blame budget…and I suppose we know that the way this was shot is how it used to be shot. It lacks drama and yet it lacks comedy. The premise is fine, the cast are great. It should have been some epic gothic horror and it doesn’t even manage decent pantomime. I have to say that it is this spell between City of Death and the E-Space trilogy which makes me question which Who is best Who. For best episodes (and frequency of them) Tom wins because usual Tom can carry a bad story but was lucky to be given some corkers. Think of any other duffer you have seen up to this point and there is at least some ethereal quality to admire. When everyone is saying “Who cares?” then something must be wrong. Well done for your endurance and again excellent commentary!

    I also feel subtitles would be a definite plus. Although not YouTube auto-captions you guys are funny enough.

    My recommendation at this point is to go back to Death to the Daleks and listen to that splendid music as they emerge from the ship. Terrifying!!

  16. Ryan Hall  August 6, 2012

    I only remember certain parts to this story from seeing it as a kid, the cliffhanger to when the “cock and balls” smother tom ( we’ve all been there ) and Romana’s dress , its one of those i remember thinking looked great until i saw it on UK gold years later…nightmare of eden was the same..i was a bit “oh” ….

    but i do like the whole “fairy tale” feel to it , the way the jungle scene’s are filmed are brillant, its a shame more wasnt seen .

  17. Ben Gilbert  August 6, 2012

    Hooray! My question! Fame at last!

    Sue’s answer was a bit of a dodge, but it’s a good answer.

    My highlights: Neil’s inability to contain himself when Sue picked up on Erato’s, er, phallicity way before the ‘main event’, and Sue picking up on ‘6 seconds’, which struck me as odd as well. Clever attempt to add an alien edge to Chloris’ civilisation (they count in base 6? or 12?)? Or just a bit weird?

    • Dave Sanders  August 6, 2012

      Maybe Adastra allowed for an extra second because five would have been too much effort.

  18. Dave Sanders  August 6, 2012

    You’re horrible to Sue, you really are. Mind you I’d have teased her by saying Baker regenerates by falling off an exercise bike. 🙂

    • Jamie  August 8, 2012

      Not forgetting his magnificent and tear-jerking last words…..

      • Frankymole  August 8, 2012

        Chronologically he was singing “On With The Motley” when we last see him… (in the future segment of “Trial”). Just after making quips about Mel being an elephant. No wonder she stuck him back on the exercise bike.

  19. Dave Sanders  August 6, 2012

    It could have been worse you know. They could have pulled a Torchwood with this story and made it a fissure instead of a pit, and called it ‘The Crack’.

    • Lewis Christian  August 6, 2012

      The Creature from the Crack?

      Isn’t that “The Eleventh Hour”? :p

  20. Jambu Ilhillyia  August 6, 2012

    Very happy to have caused a minor kerfuffle with my regeneration question. 🙂

    • Neil Sullivan  August 9, 2012

      That was genius!

  21. Mark Taylor  August 6, 2012

    Despite obvious typecasting problems, Erato did manage to find some TV work in the late 90s…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR2-xA8TXxQ

    “It’s a 20ft cock and balls man, it don’t look like nothing else”

  22. Simon Harries  August 6, 2012

    My favourite quote for the mug would be, “Killed by a giant cock and balls!” It would sit very well alongside my Pertwee mug that queries, “Do Ingrid Pitt’s breasts get their own credit?”

    • Dave Sanders  August 9, 2012

      No comments on the next story, Lord Simon? LORD SIIIIIIIMOOOOOOOOOON.

      • Dave Sanders  August 9, 2012

        Doh, I went and jumped the gun on that gag, didn’t I…

        • Jamie  August 9, 2012

          Keep off the vraxoin, Dave.

          • Dave Sanders  August 9, 2012

            I need it – it gives me extra xyp.

  23. fromEssex  August 7, 2012

    I can’t remember ever seeing this. I think even as a 9 year old, I must have started shunning Who at this point as I can’t remember much of the next two stories either..

    I think that this might be one of the last Dr Who dvds I bother to buy. I’ve still got about 70 odd left to collect… maybe it’ll be £3.99 at some point or something..

  24. fromEssex  August 7, 2012

    I think I went back to it in season 18, mind you..

  25. Jazza1971  August 7, 2012

    Hehehehehe – I was highly amused, especially with the revelation regarding candle wax…

  26. John Callaghan  August 7, 2012

    Another very entertaining video!

    Although I wouldn’t dream of trying to influence you, I do rather like the edits; not least because they frequently just consist of a confused Sue pleading with Neil to try and make the story make sense! Like one of those YouTube clips which edit together every use of “what are you doing here?” said in Dr. Who, or something.

    Black Orchid would produce some interesting reactions. A visually interesting but bizarre tale like Time-Flight would also surely result in some comedy commentary gold (especially the part one cliffhanger).

    • Benway  August 7, 2012

      I love the blog. I agree with Sue about it lacking any drama or sense of threat. Possibly bodes well for season 18. If you do do another commentary, then as a left field choice I think I’d go with Earthshock. I know it’s a major story but it doesn’t actually have a huge amount of plot and I think you could still talk and watch the action stuff okay. Some live reaction would be fun for that.

    • John Callaghan  August 7, 2012

      Or do I mean part two? You know the one I mean, anyway.

  27. encyclops  August 7, 2012

    I LOVE the video commentaries. Yes, it does take me longer to have a chance to hear them, but it’s worth it. My girlfriend watched this one with me and screamed at the fellatio scene and made me take a screenshot. All the commentary was great, and I love hearing how much fun you’re having with these, but for me the highlights were hearing Sue and Neil sing snatches of “Stand and Deliver” and “Cloudbusting” respectively.

    As for the episode: I love the costumes, I find that Adrasta and even the Huntsman are quite easy on the eyes (I’d trim the beard a bit, mind you), I love the jungle set, I even like the wolfweeds. Those elements alone are enough to make this a pleasant watch. The problem, of course, is that the story consists largely of the Doctor and Romana being arrested and coerced, even before you get to Organon and Erato, who are insufferable and preposterous respectively.

    There’s something kind of charming, though, about David Fisher’s penchant for special-effects-nightmare monsters — first the Ogri and now the wolfweeds and Erato, and say what you like but I think the FX team scored a 2 out of 3 there, considering what they were up against. I also like the fact that all 4.33 of his scripts feature women in prominent roles who are at the very least memorable, if not also downright fabulous. And one of the names “Organon” (per Neil’s singing, almost certainly a reference to Reich as much as Aristotle) and “Erato” (the muse…of love poetry) could be an accident, but two is almost certainly a deliberate joke.

    • encyclops  August 7, 2012

      Oh, also, I agree that Time-Flight would be a good choice for video commentary. You really have nothing to lose there. Plus I would like another shot at thinking of a question in time to hear Neil say “encyclops.”

  28. Roderick T. Long  August 7, 2012

    I’m an American and have no trouble understanding Sue.

  29. Catseye  August 7, 2012

    Never mind the Hoover/K9 crossover, I think you have more chance with Anne Summers/Wife in Space candles…!

  30. Simon Harries  August 7, 2012

    An escapologist I met recently uses candlewax as part of his act. Before putting on a blindfold, he pours hot wax onto his closed eyes to seal them shut – an extra layer to convince his audience he genuinely can’t see anything. He said that he uses S+M candles because their wax doesn’t get as hot as normal candle wax and is therefore safer for use on the eyes… and presumably therefore other parts!

  31. STEVEN  August 7, 2012

    I love your written blog, you have a funny way with words, but the recorded reviews I really am not keen on. Sue particularly doesnt appear to come out and say anything of much value or funny. Begs the question in your blogs is it you who are adding to what Sue says to make it funny. Very disappointing Creature/pit review.

    • Neil Perryman  August 7, 2012

      Must. Not. Respond.

      • CJJC  August 7, 2012

        Good work not responding.

      • encyclops  August 7, 2012

        I imagine that’s what Erato kept telling itself too, but when you’ve been stuck down a pit for years, it’s hard to help it.

    • Dan  August 7, 2012

      With every single sentence that goes from praise to gratuitous criticism to baseless accusation!

    • Dan  August 7, 2012

      Amazing.

      • PolarityReversed  August 8, 2012

        Note to Sue: I know it’s impossible to avoid double entendre in current context, but – let him dust his own daleks for a while…

        Now, do I dare? Yes, I think I will. I found this commentary diverting, cozy, many things. But not really very funny.
        Sorry. I shall say 10 ****ing Nations and 20 Hail Cartmels as penance.

  32. Paul Mudie  August 7, 2012

    Personally, I enjoy the video commentaries, but I can appreciate that they make it hard for Sue to pay attention to what’s happening on the telly. Maybe they could be saved for special occasions like Warriors of the Deep? I think it would be more visceral to hear Sue’s reaction to the Ingrid Pitt vs Myrka fight than to read about it!

  33. CJJC  August 7, 2012

    I am from yer actual London, a place where it is often believed that we don’t even try to understand people with accents outside of a 20 mile radius and I’ve never had a problem understanding anything Sue says.

    Oh, and Stephen Moffat allowed Curse of the Black Spot and The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood to go out so Sue’s argument about Adams (who couldn’t have pulled a serial anyway) isn’t exactly persuasive.

    • CJJC  August 7, 2012

      Gah, I did a Stephen instead of a Steven. That doesn’t normally happen to me.

  34. Mike  August 7, 2012

    As much as I enjoy the video commentaries, I don’t think asking Sue questions adds anything. You’re both funny enough anyway and it’s just another distraction for Sue.
    I rather liked the story when I first watched it but maybe it was because of the twist in Episode 4 that made me think that.

    • Ed  August 8, 2012

      I’m not a fan of the questions in video commentaries, either. Particularly annoying in this one as, not long after Sue’s been criticising Tom Baker’s performance, he does pick up his game a bit, but it goes completely unnoticed and unremarked upon because Sue’s just been distracted with a question.

  35. Mr Hoppy  August 8, 2012

    Another very entertaining entry. I love reading your reviews, but it is a joy to hear your both once in a while too. Always feel we get tremendous value for money from the two of you – Especially as we get this blog for free!!

  36. Ritch Ludlow  August 11, 2012

    “the effects are shit, but I still believe it”

    Honestly, I find watching Doctor Who drunk makes it all far more believable, no matter how shit it is!

  37. Ritch Ludlow  August 12, 2012

    You know, in Sue’s defense, if she didn’t believe you when you made stuff up, she’d have no need to believe all the other stuff you tell her, surely.